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	<title>Comments on: Do I need a Registry Cleaner?</title>
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	<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2008 03:32:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Arup</title>
		<link>http://www.whatthetech.com/2007/11/25/do-i-need-a-registry-cleaner/#comment-2102</link>
		<dc:creator>Arup</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 11:54:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Most registry cleaners including CC removes Intel's tray icon on XPx64, I don't use them and my installation runs for months without any issues.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Most registry cleaners including CC removes Intel's tray icon on XPx64, I don't use them and my installation runs for months without any issues.</p>
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		<title>By: Harris</title>
		<link>http://www.whatthetech.com/2007/11/25/do-i-need-a-registry-cleaner/#comment-2093</link>
		<dc:creator>Harris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 05:06:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>58-39=19   :)</description>
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		<title>By: Harris</title>
		<link>http://www.whatthetech.com/2007/11/25/do-i-need-a-registry-cleaner/#comment-2092</link>
		<dc:creator>Harris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 05:05:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On the summary of the results from Mr. Langa test you say:
  "Registry Mechanic: found and removed 39 errors while informing me that the $30 paid/registered full version would remove an additional 58. …Repeated runs turned up 19 problems each time. I have no way of knowing if these were 19 new problems, or 19 of the initial 39 that weren’t really fixed, or 19 that came back after reboot, or what. But the combination of a low initial error count results and relatively high repeated count puts this tool on my “don’t bother” list".
  what troubles you about it? From 58-39=18</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On the summary of the results from Mr. Langa test you say:<br />
  "Registry Mechanic: found and removed 39 errors while informing me that the $30 paid/registered full version would remove an additional 58. …Repeated runs turned up 19 problems each time. I have no way of knowing if these were 19 new problems, or 19 of the initial 39 that weren’t really fixed, or 19 that came back after reboot, or what. But the combination of a low initial error count results and relatively high repeated count puts this tool on my “don’t bother” list".<br />
  what troubles you about it? From 58-39=18</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Bright (Digerati)</title>
		<link>http://www.whatthetech.com/2007/11/25/do-i-need-a-registry-cleaner/#comment-1251</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill Bright (Digerati)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Dec 2007 18:57:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have many misgivings about Registry Cleaners, and reviews of them. FTR, I use CCleaner and frequently run it's cleaner. Why? Because it is NOT too aggressive, prompts for a Registry backup, and does not (or at least has not) resulted in the problems noted by Fred Langa and others. I have, without exaggeration, used it on 100s of computers, countless number of times, and never (knock on forehead/wood) had it break a computer - yet. I cannot say the same thing for some of the other cleaners I have evaluated, including RegSupreme, RegScrubXP, RegCleaner, and RegSeeker - all of which either caused PCs to fail to boot, corrupted user access to system resources, or prevented some programs from working. 

I can understand different Registry cleaners reporting different numbers of errors. What I don't understand is how the same errors are not reported consistently. To illustrate, I just downloaded the Registry Booster 2 and ran the scan. It "found" 335 "Problems/Errors". Most were the typical "missing Type library", "missing shortcut", and "empty location" errors. I did not repair them, but instead ran another popular cleaner, RegSeeker, and it found 1212 (!!!) of the same type errors. I then ran CCleaner's Registry cleaner. It found about 80 of the same errors, or "Issues" as it calls them. I backed up my Registry and fixed those errors with CCleaner, ran CCleaner's cleaner again. This time it 6 more; fixed them, and ran it a 3rd time, and it found no errors this time. Note that running 2 or 3 times until no "issues" are found is typical. 

Then I ran Registry Booster 2 again. This time, it found 334 errors, only 1 less than before! Why not 80 less? Regseeker this time around found 1062, 140 less. Again, why not 80 less? Why more than 80? This inconsistency convinces me that Registry cleaning is a guessing game, one that I am not willing to play with an aggressive player - and so I stick with CCleaner. 

The problem I have with reviews, including the recent review of Registry Booster 2, is they are never thorough and usually involve just 1 or 2 "hand-picked" computers that have typically been used by IT experts, or at least, very experienced users - or more likely user - that is, only one username is setup and used. That does not reflect the real world. Then if nothing breaks, they throw their wholehearted endorsement at the product. I feel that does a DISSERVICE to the common user - who is typically NOT an expert or even an advanced user, but possibly one of several users with various skill-sets using a home computer.

A good, dare I say "professional" evaluation of a product should have a large sample - the more the better. For a critical product like a Registry cleaner, 30 PCs seems realistic to me. Why? Because within 1 hour after initial setup, EVERY PC is different. Every user has their own favorite programs, including all important security applications, desktop configurations, network settings, printers, scanners, USB devices, etc. What if the cleaner broke just 3 out of the 30 PCs - is that acceptable? A 10% failure rate?? Not to me. Is that failure rate realistic? Who knows? No realistic tests were done! :(  And that's the problem. 

One of the common measures used to test cleaners is boot times - and that's probably a fair test - one test, though, not a battery of tests. But many variables, besides the Registry entries, can and does affect each and every boot time. These include such things as the status at shutdown (what was still running in the background from manually started programs during that session, for example), cache contents (and there are lots of different caches - MRU lists, menu settings, prefetch data, MUIcache, disk cache/Page File), network connections (including router and firewall), and security application settings (including update and scan schedulers). Even such things as System Tray icons and the last status of those programs at shutdown can affect the next boot time. 

The evaluation on Registry Booster 2 done here at WTT reported they booted the system 5 times, I assume 5 times before cleaning and 5 times after cleaning. I think that is a fair sampling and the results are surprising, and good. But are faster boot times significant, in terms of system performance and stability? I don't think so. I keep my systems running 24/7 so I don't find long boot times an annoyance and in fact, I have my BIOS settings set to display boot status, which makes my times even longer. No big deal for me. Many (most?) users who don't leave their systems on 24/7, turn them on in the morning and then off at night. Is less than 10 seconds longer boot time really that important there? Not for the vast majority, I would think. For folks looking for instant boot times, don't. Instant on computers are still quite a few years away. 

Is the fact that some programs load up faster after cleaning with Registry Booster significant? I don't know. Is saving 2 seconds during a program load really that important too? Not to me. Program lockups and system stability during use is what matters to me, as well as system response times [U]after[/U] boots and loads are what I feel are important and I've seen no evidence from any independent tests that show any Registry cleaner improves system performance in those areas. 

BTW, note that many programs, including MS Office products, have a "Repair" feature, either as a menu option, or as an option in Control Panel &#62; Add and Remove Software and that running these repair features resets all the Registry settings to the correct values too. I personally would rather have the software maker set the correct Registry settings than use a database compiled by some 3rd party.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have many misgivings about Registry Cleaners, and reviews of them. FTR, I use CCleaner and frequently run it's cleaner. Why? Because it is NOT too aggressive, prompts for a Registry backup, and does not (or at least has not) resulted in the problems noted by Fred Langa and others. I have, without exaggeration, used it on 100s of computers, countless number of times, and never (knock on forehead/wood) had it break a computer - yet. I cannot say the same thing for some of the other cleaners I have evaluated, including RegSupreme, RegScrubXP, RegCleaner, and RegSeeker - all of which either caused PCs to fail to boot, corrupted user access to system resources, or prevented some programs from working. </p>
<p>I can understand different Registry cleaners reporting different numbers of errors. What I don't understand is how the same errors are not reported consistently. To illustrate, I just downloaded the Registry Booster 2 and ran the scan. It "found" 335 "Problems/Errors". Most were the typical "missing Type library", "missing shortcut", and "empty location" errors. I did not repair them, but instead ran another popular cleaner, RegSeeker, and it found 1212 (!!!) of the same type errors. I then ran CCleaner's Registry cleaner. It found about 80 of the same errors, or "Issues" as it calls them. I backed up my Registry and fixed those errors with CCleaner, ran CCleaner's cleaner again. This time it 6 more; fixed them, and ran it a 3rd time, and it found no errors this time. Note that running 2 or 3 times until no "issues" are found is typical. </p>
<p>Then I ran Registry Booster 2 again. This time, it found 334 errors, only 1 less than before! Why not 80 less? Regseeker this time around found 1062, 140 less. Again, why not 80 less? Why more than 80? This inconsistency convinces me that Registry cleaning is a guessing game, one that I am not willing to play with an aggressive player - and so I stick with CCleaner. </p>
<p>The problem I have with reviews, including the recent review of Registry Booster 2, is they are never thorough and usually involve just 1 or 2 "hand-picked" computers that have typically been used by IT experts, or at least, very experienced users - or more likely user - that is, only one username is setup and used. That does not reflect the real world. Then if nothing breaks, they throw their wholehearted endorsement at the product. I feel that does a DISSERVICE to the common user - who is typically NOT an expert or even an advanced user, but possibly one of several users with various skill-sets using a home computer.</p>
<p>A good, dare I say "professional" evaluation of a product should have a large sample - the more the better. For a critical product like a Registry cleaner, 30 PCs seems realistic to me. Why? Because within 1 hour after initial setup, EVERY PC is different. Every user has their own favorite programs, including all important security applications, desktop configurations, network settings, printers, scanners, USB devices, etc. What if the cleaner broke just 3 out of the 30 PCs - is that acceptable? A 10% failure rate?? Not to me. Is that failure rate realistic? Who knows? No realistic tests were done! <img src='http://www.whatthetech.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' />  And that's the problem. </p>
<p>One of the common measures used to test cleaners is boot times - and that's probably a fair test - one test, though, not a battery of tests. But many variables, besides the Registry entries, can and does affect each and every boot time. These include such things as the status at shutdown (what was still running in the background from manually started programs during that session, for example), cache contents (and there are lots of different caches - MRU lists, menu settings, prefetch data, MUIcache, disk cache/Page File), network connections (including router and firewall), and security application settings (including update and scan schedulers). Even such things as System Tray icons and the last status of those programs at shutdown can affect the next boot time. </p>
<p>The evaluation on Registry Booster 2 done here at WTT reported they booted the system 5 times, I assume 5 times before cleaning and 5 times after cleaning. I think that is a fair sampling and the results are surprising, and good. But are faster boot times significant, in terms of system performance and stability? I don't think so. I keep my systems running 24/7 so I don't find long boot times an annoyance and in fact, I have my BIOS settings set to display boot status, which makes my times even longer. No big deal for me. Many (most?) users who don't leave their systems on 24/7, turn them on in the morning and then off at night. Is less than 10 seconds longer boot time really that important there? Not for the vast majority, I would think. For folks looking for instant boot times, don't. Instant on computers are still quite a few years away. </p>
<p>Is the fact that some programs load up faster after cleaning with Registry Booster significant? I don't know. Is saving 2 seconds during a program load really that important too? Not to me. Program lockups and system stability during use is what matters to me, as well as system response times [U]after[/U] boots and loads are what I feel are important and I've seen no evidence from any independent tests that show any Registry cleaner improves system performance in those areas. </p>
<p>BTW, note that many programs, including MS Office products, have a "Repair" feature, either as a menu option, or as an option in Control Panel &gt; Add and Remove Software and that running these repair features resets all the Registry settings to the correct values too. I personally would rather have the software maker set the correct Registry settings than use a database compiled by some 3rd party.</p>
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		<title>By: Nick</title>
		<link>http://www.whatthetech.com/2007/11/25/do-i-need-a-registry-cleaner/#comment-1155</link>
		<dc:creator>Nick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2007 12:52:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have found from exprience that using one of these  freeware registry cleaners you have a much higher chance of causing your system to have a serious preoblem then not using any registry cleaner .I had one on my system and thankfully it kept a backup of every registry entry it removed ,becasue after I ran the utility I had many problems start to appear I could not log onto the internet ,my speaker icon disapeared from the taskbar just to name a couple ,I restored all of the registry entries it removed and everything was back to normal .Then I delelted the cleaner off my system swaearing to never try anotrher "freeware app" again ,when it comes to the registry .In this area you get what you pay for definitly applies !
                Good Luck Nick</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have found from exprience that using one of these  freeware registry cleaners you have a much higher chance of causing your system to have a serious preoblem then not using any registry cleaner .I had one on my system and thankfully it kept a backup of every registry entry it removed ,becasue after I ran the utility I had many problems start to appear I could not log onto the internet ,my speaker icon disapeared from the taskbar just to name a couple ,I restored all of the registry entries it removed and everything was back to normal .Then I delelted the cleaner off my system swaearing to never try anotrher "freeware app" again ,when it comes to the registry .In this area you get what you pay for definitly applies !<br />
                Good Luck Nick</p>
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		<title>By: Mac</title>
		<link>http://www.whatthetech.com/2007/11/25/do-i-need-a-registry-cleaner/#comment-1114</link>
		<dc:creator>Mac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Dec 2007 16:02:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I had scads of registry errors on my pc, from un-installing and re-installing modified games, older software, etc... it was highly unstable. after running Registry Mechanic, most problems were fixed and it ran fine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had scads of registry errors on my pc, from un-installing and re-installing modified games, older software, etc... it was highly unstable. after running Registry Mechanic, most problems were fixed and it ran fine.</p>
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		<title>By: Blair</title>
		<link>http://www.whatthetech.com/2007/11/25/do-i-need-a-registry-cleaner/#comment-1061</link>
		<dc:creator>Blair</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Dec 2007 15:28:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I actually have a review copy of RegistryBooster 2 that I've never installed. I'll run my own tests on Windows XP and Windows Vista systems and post a review shortly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I actually have a review copy of RegistryBooster 2 that I've never installed. I'll run my own tests on Windows XP and Windows Vista systems and post a review shortly.</p>
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		<title>By: Hollins</title>
		<link>http://www.whatthetech.com/2007/11/25/do-i-need-a-registry-cleaner/#comment-1050</link>
		<dc:creator>Hollins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Nov 2007 10:42:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>After reading a review at Overclockersclub.com, I bought Uniblue's RegistryBooster 2, which really did make a difference. It's not in Fred Langa's list of tested products, but you can read some metrics on the Overclocker's site here http://www.overclockersclub.com/reviews/unibluereg.

Maybe Fred Langa should be notified......</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After reading a review at Overclockersclub.com, I bought Uniblue's RegistryBooster 2, which really did make a difference. It's not in Fred Langa's list of tested products, but you can read some metrics on the Overclocker's site here <a href="http://www.overclockersclub.com/reviews/unibluereg"   rel="nofollow">http://www.overclockersclub.com/reviews/unibluereg</a>.</p>
<p>Maybe Fred Langa should be notified......</p>
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